Minutes of Meeting
Roundtable
"Internet players in Vietnam"
01.10.13, UNDP Hanoi, from 9:00 to
12:00
organized by ISOC members in Vietnam,
as a joint activity with UNDP's "Partnerships to Fight
Poverty" Meeting
17 Participants
Stefan Probst:
Thanks to Vern Weitzel for helping to organize and UNDP for
hosting the event.
Thanks to Hoang Minh Cuong for engagement in inviting other
players.
Thanks to Vern for taking minutes.
Introduction about the Internet Society in Vietnam
("ISOC-VN")
Mr. Hoang Minh Cuong (VNNIC) explains relationships
within the Department General of Posts and Telecoms (DGPT):
* VN-NIC (Vietnam Internet Network Information Centre)
- one of DGPT's Departments
- responsibilities: .vn domain names, .vn Domain Name Server, IP
numbers for Vietnam, Protocols. "Internet
Resources".
- three divisions: Technical, Information, Administration
- all together 12 staff, Cuong is chief of Tech Division
- makes proposals to Policy Department
- implements policies of Policy Department
* Policy Department
- one of DGPT's Departments
- drafts regulations etc. and submits to other authorities to
issue
For more about DGPT structure see http://www.vnpt.com.vn/DGPT/dgpt_general.html
* VNPT
- the business unit of DGPT
- VDC is "member unit" company under VNPT,
see http://www.vnpt.com.vn/Vnpt/vnpt_corporation.htm
VNNIC has some international contact to IANA and ICANN, but
few others.
They are waiting for new standards and will implement them then
in VN.
VNNIC is considering to become an ICANN accredited registrar
for gTLDs
(i.e. .com, .net, .org, .info, etc.).
New policy (probably soon to be released): A .vn domain can be
located
anywhere, not only inside Vietnam as it is now.
Mr. Tran Ba Thai asks about the status of the
postulated ICT Ministry.
VNNIC has no information.
Mr. Thai: VN is very inactive in contributing to
international standard setting
procedures, e.g. concerning the actual issue about multilingual
domain
names (MLDs). It was in the past already the same when setting
UNICODE
standards.
Stefan: Multilingual name standards are being developed
regionally, mainly
by Japan, China, Taiwan, Korea. Viet Nam is by contrast
following others
and not helping make the standards.
Mr. Cuong: Now, translation of domains in Chinese
requires a client for the
computer to translate UNICODE to ASCII. There is no client for
Vietnamese
names yet.
Stefan: Right now it is not (yet) about the usage of
MLDs (for which those
clients would be needed), but about setting the standards.
Vietnam should
be more active in contributing to the definition of the
translation
algorithms. This would take a little time to organize, but it
would be
fairly easy.
Mr. Romeo Bertolini (ZEF Bonn - on fact finding mission
for possible future
German governmental development aid in ICT for Vietnam): So this
is
technically possible and should be done. This issue could be
studied.
General discussion over moving websites to UNICODE. It may be
possible for VNNIC to help, e.g. by informing domain name
holders.
Mr. Thai: Better to go from the grass roots to
influence government.
Concerning VDC structure, the same technicians work at the
core, backbone or ISP. There is no division in VDC between IAP
(IXP) and ISP.
Firewall: Each ISP manages its own firewall. The equipment and
SW of the
previous national firewall is now VDC's wall. VDC still runs
several (or
all?) services through their firewall, at least incl. telnet.
Netnam uses
their firewall only for web. According to Thai, with Nimda and
CodeRed
viruses, no standard application-based firewall can handle that
load.
Some organisation in State Security (no specific answer)
provides the
blocked-site list. Netnam follows the list that VDC uses.
Bandwidth: every ISP and IXP-leased-line users has the same
access to the
core. VDC technical department propose new bandwidth and new
routes (i.e.
which medium to use to which network hub), managers decide then.
This
process took months in the past, but only 2 weeks now. In the
last weeks,
national bandwidth to the outside increased from 34 to 40Mbps.
Load on
those lines is usually less than 70% of capacity.
Vern Weitzel: Virus problem. Is this a national
security problem? Viet Nam
has no Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT), unlike some
other countries in the region. Hence, Viet Nam is exposed to
computer-related disasters.
Mr. Thai: Except Laos, Cambodia, and Myanmar, Vietnam
is the only country in the region which doesn't have one.
Short mentioning of Decree 55. Stefan says it is a very
good paper, but
much will depend on the outstanding guiding regulations.
Note from Stefan, to which Mr. Thai agrees:
MOSTE has lost power/influence mainly to DGPT with Decree 55.
Thai advises that this has a lot to do with the personalities of
the leaders.
Mr. Tran Ba Thai is invited to discuss Netnam ISP. Thai
says it is hard to
compete with a large organisation like VDC or with the
aggressive marketing
of FPT. Netnam concentrates on LAN-based corporate services and
technical innovation. One example is the Universal Messaging
System (UMS). He says their system is based on pattern synthesis
(a competing system being developed in HCMC University by one of
their former students is based on a dictionary).
Concerning SMS, Netnam stopped this service, since with the
introduction of fees for SMS, they can't afford it anymore.
Only mobile phone network
providers like GPC (VinaPhone) or VMS (MobiFone) could do that,
since it
doesn't cost them extra.
Stefan proposes to VNNIC to publish not only the number
of Internet
subscribers in their statistics. The current situation is
inadequate,
relying on 'subscribers' only, which is not a true
indication of the number
of users, since neither multiple users on one line (Internet
Cafes,
offices), nor users on non-account dial-up (1268/1269 service)
are counted.
Furthermore it is quite cheap to have an account, but not to use
it, i.e.
people might have an account, but rarely use it. A better
indicator for the
development of the Internet in Vietnam would be the usage time
(in on-line
minutes). Cuong advises that this is the subject of an internal
discussion
within DGPT. VDC has this information but FPT would not release
theirs to
VNNIC. When asked, Thai says that Netnam is open and ready to
provide this information.
Question from Stefan: How is usage calculated for
leased lines? Cuong did
not know the exact formula but it relies on equating the size of
a line to
a certain number of users.
Mr. Thai: One important phenomenon in Viet Nam are chat
services. These are
heavily used by young people. Sometimes over 1000 people are
logged in at
one time. Different countries have different strategies: SMS is
very
popular in the Philippines.
Stefan proposes to VNNIC to inform domain name holders:
All domains should come with such email addresses as
postmaster@domain, webmaster@domain and abuse@domain (there is an
RFC about that). ISOC Viet Nam could assist with this.
Stefan informs: Problem with VDC's SMTP servers
which prevents
organisations with their own domains from sending mail: Danish,
Swedish,
Swiss embassies, ADB, several Vietnamese companies etc. This is
because VDC has changed its mail server settings to reduce
excessive spamming by some high school students: The
"from:" address has now to be a ".vnn.vn"
domain. This makes VDC's SMTP server however quite
uninteresting/useless for most organisations, which have their
own non-vn domain.
Netnam applies different (i.e. more "standard")
anti-spam measures, which
allow the use of other domains without any problem. When asked,
Thai
confirmed, that Netnam has no intention to change that
policy.
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Note: The correctness of these minutes have not been confirmed
by the
quoted speakers and other attendees. If anybody of them thinks,
he/she is
not mentioned adequately, or wrongly, then pls. contact Vern
Weitzel or
Stefan Probst.
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