[Fwd: RE: [WG-Unicode] Re: ICU collation rules - sorting order in Vietnamese - is therean offical order??]

Interesting, these differences between south and north ;-)
Thanks!

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Subject: RE: [WG-Unicode] Re: ICU collation rules - sorting order in Vietnamese - is therean offical order??
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:55:07 -0500
From: nguyenq1@netscape.net
To: vern.weitzel@undp.org ("Vern Weitzel")

Former South Vietnam used ' ` ? ~ . -- hence, VNI assignment of 1 2 3 4 5 keys for their keyboard layout.

North Vietnam and now Vietnam use ` ? ~ ' . for ordering alphabets, as described in
http://vietunicode.sourceforge.net/charset/vietalphabet.html. This is the collation that modern Vietnamese dictionaries use.

"Vern Weitzel" <vern.weitzel@undp.org> wrote:

>Hi Gero,
>
>I understand that the sorting order for Vietnamese diacritical marks is
>` ? ~ ' . on a number of keyboard layouts.
>
>As far as I know it is not the case that there exists an official Vietnamese
>sorting orver Dictionaries seem to order diacritics in different ways.
>
>I believe that the order you see in a the Mac keyboard is the same as on a
>MS Vietnamese keyboard and VNI. But that is the only standardisation I know
>of ... and it may not be a natural one for the Vietnamese reader.
>
>I think it would be inappropriate if a sorting order were determined solely by
>computing experts and not by the Vietnamese community as a whole, including
>linguists and historians.
>
>I am sending this to a couple other lists to see if we can get a response to
>this question
>
>Gero Herrmann wrote:
>
>> sent to macos-vn by Gero Herrmann <herr@mac.com>
>>
>>
>> On 11 Feb 2004, at 07:29, Vern Weitzel wrote:
>>
>>> First, I am not aware that the sort order (plain ` ? ~ ' .) has been
>>> formalised by
>>> the Government of Viet Nam. My impression, discussing this with
>>> officials from the
>>> Ministry of Science and Technology a couple years ago was that this
>>> was not yet
>>> established.
>>
>>
>> Interestingly, the TCVN keyboard layout (included as "Vietnamese" with
>> Mac OS X) has the tone marks assigned in this order to the number keys 5
>> through 9 on the top row of the keyboard. This layout represents a
>> government-backed standard as far as I know and could give a hint at
>> what a possible future collation standard might formalize.
>>
>> Gero Herrmann

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