Re: [OSS] International Components for Unicode - Viet Nam

Good Morning,

while not directly Unicode, may I add another issue in this context:
Are there official Vietnamese standards about where to place the tone
marks, i.e. if there are more than one vocal in a word, over which one
should the tone mark be placed?
I learned from my daughter, that the rule is something like: it should be
the middle one, and in case it is an even number, then it is the one to the
right of the middle. But is there a standard, that explains it clearly?
TCVN-xxxx?

Cheers,
Stefan

At 23:24 10.02.2004 +0000, Vern Weitzel wrote:
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>I was introduced to the website of International Components for Unicode
>which is hosted by IBM at http://oss.software.ibm.com/icu/
>
>The site contains Interenationalisation packages for a number of languages
>including Vietnamese. This information is, I understand, used with a
>number of platforms, apparently including Microsoft (?). Apple is now
>using ICU
>formatting. The latest version 2.8 was released in November.
>
>I have some questions about the information that is given for Viet Nam and
>as a non-expert in that language, I would like to ask some experts.
>
>The locale information for Viet Nam is on the Locale Explorer
>http://oss.software.ibm.com/cgi-bin/icu/lx
>
>and the specific page for viet Nam is:
>
>http://oss.software.ibm.com/cgi-bin/icu/lx/en/utf-8/?_=vi&SHOWCountries=1#Countries
>
>My first question is whether MOST or TCVN have had a chance to input
>information to
>this library.
>
>I have some specific questions.
>
>I am not aware that the sort order (plain ` ? ~ ' .) has been formalised by
>the Government of Viet Nam. My impression, discussing this with officials
>from the
>Ministry of Science and Technology a couple years ago was that this was
>not yet
>established.
>
>Second, in the regional display, it is not commonly the case now that the
>sylables
>in country country names are separated by dashes. In fact the format is
>inconsistent.
>Sometimes one word, sometimes no dashes and occasionally still dashes. In
>general,
>dashes in words used to be a format common in the South 30 years ago but
>as far as I
>know, this practice has disappeared. Some of the formal names, for
>instance Australia
>and USA are a little unfamilair to me. I do not see that there is room for
>alternate
>forms.
>
>January can be Tháng một or Tháng giêng are alterante forms. But I had
>assumed that Tháng giêng was preferred. I understand that there is some
>potential for confusion with days in the lunar calendar. Which raises the
>important
>problem in Viet Nam that we use both the Gregorian and Lunar calendars
>buty ICU appears
>to allow only one of these.
>
>Finally, I am a little surprised that no ICU libraries exist for Khmer and
>Lao.
>
>I am wondering if others can comment on these issues.
>
>Vern
>
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