FW: Access to Presentation - I must be a Social Evil ;-)

Hi all,

I had no problem to access my website through a fpt dial-up.
However, the VNN pop-up window asking for login/pass is consistent with the
website being blacklisted.

Strange, since it only contains 3 docs quite inocuous on Open
Source. But who knows? Maybe I have been a bad boy, or ... Have you seen a
bald guy named Ballmer recently in Hanoi? ;-)

I tried to contact the webmaster of VNN and I got an automated reply
(sorry account over quota, write the postmaster) -so I guess they just can't
be bothered to use the webmaster account-. To my delight I send an e-mail to
the postmaster, and I get an automated reply saying: Sorry Postmaster
account over quota, please contact postmaster :-) Catch 22

However, there are workarounds for this. The World Summit on
Information Society has been kind enough to use the presentation as
background material, so you can download the presentation also from here:
http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/background/themes/access/freesw_carrasco.pdf

I wonder if now they'll block the ITU's website. That'd be a funny
one. :-)

Regards to all

Jordi

PS
By the way, you could also have a look at the new article they
published me at www.firstmonday.org in the November issue (and later @
slashdot). Google "The Open Code Market" and you'll get to it. See if you
like it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Probst [mailto:stefan.probst@opticom.v-nam.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:18 AM
To: CARRASCO-MUNOZ Jordi (RELEX)
Subject: [OSS] Re: Is there still a VDC Internet monopoly?

Dear Jean Christophe,

At 12:25 02.12.2003 +0000, you wrote:
-------------------------
> Hi everybody,
>
>Le mardi 02 décembre 2003 à 11h23 (+0000), Stefan Probst
écrivait :
> > Unfortunately, VDC through its close relation with the P&T has a
nearly
> > monopoly status in Vietnam when it comes to telecoms, including
the
> > Internet.
>
>FYI, it doesn't seems like that anymore...

I wrote "nearly monopoly". And it concerns mostly access service,
not
inter-connectivity.

At the low end:
Why can only VDC offer a service, where /telephone/ users can access
the
Internet without having a special account (a service agreement), by
just
dialling an access number, using a generic user name and password,
and then
get conveniently billed together with the telephone invoice?

Why is it much easier for VDC to provide analog dial-up outside the
big cities?

At the medium to high end:
Why can only VDC offer reasonably priced ADSL services in most parts
of Hanoi?
(Yes, Viettel does also offer, but only in parts of Hanoi, and much
more
expensive)

The answer:
Because in all cases they use the P&T's logistics (billing), in the
second
case the digital transmission lines, and in the latter case also
their
switching hardware. ADSL line equipment is integrated in the public
switching system AFAIK.

What does it help that VDC has no monopoly on the international
connections
anymore, when I am blocked by their firewall before I get there?
And since they are the only ones who can offer reasonable ADSL, I
have to
use them.

>Previously, FPT had to go *through* VDC, so they have a link to
VDC.
>But, since the end of the VDC monopoly, FPT also has direct
connexions
>to Hong Kong, Singapour and others, and the VDC link is not used
any
>more (what a pity, since one have to go through Hong Kong to get
from
>FPT to VDC, but that's another story: peering deals to establish).

Yes, that is a shame beyond comparison. And it looks to be the same
with
Vietel.

The spirit of sharing and creatinng win-win situations, as common in
OSS,
seems not to be known amongst the Vietnamese ISPs.

Rgds.
Stefan

>So, right now, I think FPT (and others) is independant from VDC.
>Also, they both depend on VNNIC (www.vnnic.net.vn) for furnishing
IP
>address blocks from APNIC (www.apnic.net) and DNS delegation (even
>reverse one), and VTI (www.vti.com.vn) for the international links.
>
>We, at AuF, just cancel our VDC leased-line connexion for some
reasons
>(main are: price, filtering, and modifications without informing
first)
>to go with an FPT connexion instead. We had a few little problem
with FPT
>due to their default policy (they filter their customers to protect
them)
>but nothing that couldn't be resolved quickly until now (they
opened
>filters as we asked).
>
>I'm not pro-FPT or others, I just compare ISP services as a network
>specialist. FPT also seem to have some network drawback comparing
to
>VDC, but I still have to investigate before saying anything on
this.
>
>Best Regards,
>--
>J.C. "ãf-ãfã'°ãf*" ANDRÃ? <jean-christophe.andre@auf.org>
>http://www.vn.refer.org/
>Coordonnateur technique régional / Associé technologie projet
Reflets (CODA)
>Agence universitaire de la Francophonie (AuF) / Bureau
Asie-Pacifique (BAP)
>Adresse postale : AUF, 21 Lê Thánh Tông, T.T. Hoà n Kiếm, HÃ
Ná»(tm)i,
>Viá»?t Nam
>Tél. : +84 4 9331108 Fax : +84 4 8247383 Mobile : +84 91
3248747
>âZ§ Note personnelle : merci d'éviter de m'envoyer des fichiers
>PowerPoint âZ«
>âZ© ou Word ; voir
>http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.fr.html âZ

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