Re: [OSS] Is there still a VDC Internet monopoly?

Dear Jean Christophe,

At 12:25 02.12.2003 +0000, you wrote:
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> Hi everybody,
>
>Le mardi 02 décembre 2003 à 11h23 (+0000), Stefan Probst écrivait :
> > Unfortunately, VDC through its close relation with the P&T has a nearly
> > monopoly status in Vietnam when it comes to telecoms, including the
> > Internet.
>
>FYI, it doesn't seems like that anymore...

I wrote "nearly monopoly". And it concerns mostly access service, not
inter-connectivity.

At the low end:
Why can only VDC offer a service, where /telephone/ users can access the
Internet without having a special account (a service agreement), by just
dialling an access number, using a generic user name and password, and then
get conveniently billed together with the telephone invoice?

Why is it much easier for VDC to provide analog dial-up outside the big cities?

At the medium to high end:
Why can only VDC offer reasonably priced ADSL services in most parts of Hanoi?
(Yes, Viettel does also offer, but only in parts of Hanoi, and much more
expensive)

The answer:
Because in all cases they use the P&T's logistics (billing), in the second
case the digital transmission lines, and in the latter case also their
switching hardware. ADSL line equipment is integrated in the public
switching system AFAIK.

What does it help that VDC has no monopoly on the international connections
anymore, when I am blocked by their firewall before I get there?
And since they are the only ones who can offer reasonable ADSL, I have to
use them.

>Previously, FPT had to go *through* VDC, so they have a link to VDC.
>But, since the end of the VDC monopoly, FPT also has direct connexions
>to Hong Kong, Singapour and others, and the VDC link is not used any
>more (what a pity, since one have to go through Hong Kong to get from
>FPT to VDC, but that's another story: peering deals to establish).

Yes, that is a shame beyond comparison. And it looks to be the same with
Vietel.

The spirit of sharing and creatinng win-win situations, as common in OSS,
seems not to be known amongst the Vietnamese ISPs.

Rgds.
Stefan

>So, right now, I think FPT (and others) is independant from VDC.
>Also, they both depend on VNNIC (www.vnnic.net.vn) for furnishing IP
>address blocks from APNIC (www.apnic.net) and DNS delegation (even
>reverse one), and VTI (www.vti.com.vn) for the international links.
>
>We, at AuF, just cancel our VDC leased-line connexion for some reasons
>(main are: price, filtering, and modifications without informing first)
>to go with an FPT connexion instead. We had a few little problem with FPT
>due to their default policy (they filter their customers to protect them)
>but nothing that couldn't be resolved quickly until now (they opened
>filters as we asked).
>
>I'm not pro-FPT or others, I just compare ISP services as a network
>specialist. FPT also seem to have some network drawback comparing to
>VDC, but I still have to investigate before saying anything on this.
>
>Best Regards,
>--
>J.C. "プログフ" ANDRÉ <jean-christophe.andre@auf.org>
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