Re: [WG-eCommerce] Re: VIETNAM TO BUILD TECHNICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR E-COMMERCE

Stefan oi,
As you know, for the first step at beginning, VnCES
has only 10.000 USD for 2003 activities, so it's
members is so limited even that VnCES has so many
request from another offices. Now VnCES begin it's
activities by call finance support from business VN.
And more from international organizations, and from
the VN GOV the project and forum support for VnCES. We
hope that the VnCES members will be more time-to-time
with the VnCES development.
Thank you very much Stefan, see you again in
cooperation
Cheers
LNX

--- Stefan Probst <stefan.probst@opticom.v-nam.net>
wrote:
> Dear Xuan,
>
> At 09:35 24.02.2003 +0000, you wrote:
> -------------------------
> >Dear Stefan Probst,
> >Hi, it is so nice to have your message. immediately
> it
> >is in correction.
>
> Well, I said, that it is "fine" if it cares about
> standards for Government
> transactions. And if there would be more substance
> on the site, I could do
> more "confirmation" on other things.
> Besides that, frankly I find it quite boring if
> everybody says "yes, you
> are right". Progress comes from exchanging and
> incorporating other's ideas.
> If you think different, then tell us. Maybe I change
> my view, and I am more
> than ready to stand corrected.
>
> >I have mentioned to IT Center people, but they are
> in conservative. Many
> >thank.
> >Ok ,
> >My question to you is where are you living now, and
> >what is character of your living country ? Vietnams
> >has phase " Nhap gia tuy tuc". So,
>
> Xuan,
>
> first, if Vietnamese would know all and everything
> by themselves, then I
> wonder, why there are thousands of foreign "experts"
> in the country to
> share their experience.
>
> Second, I would not give any advice on how to cook
> rice, because this the
> Vietnamese can do better than others. Rice in
> Germany tastes awful.
> However, the Internet, and eCommerce is not a
> Vietnamese invention, but
> developed for Western circumstances, the Western way
> of doing business. As
> such I claim to have a little more understanding on
> the circumstances than
> some others here in Vietnam. How many of your
> Committee did a single "real"
> private eCommerce transaction, i.e. including
> on-line payment, in their
> whole life? How many did a business eCommerce
> transaction, either as buyer
> or as seller?
>
> If your saying means, that in the family of the
> blind, the one-eyed
> son-in-law should shut up telling what he sees,
> because he is not part of
> the family, then I shall gladly not comment on your
> project anymore.
>
> Third, I made my comments not as a foreign tourist,
> but as a Vietnamese
> business man, i.e. as a director of a 100%
> Vietnamese company, having a
> number of Vietnamese employees, serving Vietnamese
> customers. As such, I am
> often p... off from stupid regulations here, which
> often force me to
> venture into legal grey or dark areas. Not to make
> illegal money, or do
> anything against the "spirit" of the law, but
> because existing regulations
> leave me no other way. The only difference to my
> comrades in similar
> positions is, that I know how it can be done
> different (from my experience
> in the West), that I care not only about my own
> business, but also about
> the development of Vietnam in general, and that I
> therefore "waste" my time
> and open my mouth in the hope that it might change a
> bit.
>
> >VnCES etatblished in the Vietnam law, it vote by
> its
> >members. it's voice is the voice all ministries and
> >organization state body and NGO, and private
> sector.
> >The voice of society component.
>
> http://www.moste.gov.vn/vnces/vnces-o-m-a.htm says
> something different:
> Mostly ministries or ministry-like offices (10 out
> of 17 members), some
> business corporations of mostly state-run business
> (Petro Vietnam, Vietnam
> Airlines, Leather and Skin Association, Weaving and
> Sewing Association), a
> bank, an university. Not a single NGO, nothing what
> I would call "real"
> private sector, SMEs, and also IT business is not
> formally involved. Let
> alone a consumer's organization, but they are anyway
> not very well
> established here. As long as the economy is
> centrally planned, there is no
> need for something like that.
>
> >So clearly that VnCES can consultant and support VN
> >GOV with good decision on ICT develop and economic
> >market develop.
>
> Good Luck! Looking forward for the outcomes.
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
> >Hi, Hi
> >Best regards
> >LNX
> >
> > <stefan.probst@opticom.v-nam.net> wrote:
> > > Hello Xuan,
> > >
> > > congratulations to your appointment as "Chair
> and
> > > Executive of Technical
> > > Committee Standard TCVN/TC 154"!
> > >
> > > At 03:45 24.02.2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > -------------------------
> > > > Vern , Stefan , Lars oi, could you look
> > > >www.moste.gov.vn/vnces.
> > >
> > > This gives me an error 403 "Access forbidden".
> Tell
> > > your webmaster, that he
> > > should set it up better.
> > > The real URL is
> > > http://www.moste.gov.vn/vnces/vnces-menu.htm
> > >
> > > According to this Decision No: 17/QD-TDC, the
> > > purpose of this Committee is
> > > "Process, data elements and Documentation in
> > > Commerce, Industry and
> > > Administration".
> > >
> > > If this Committee cares about state
> administration:
> > > fine.
> > > I have however concerns, if it cares about
> > > "Commerce". I am using eCommerce
> > > since several years, and I don't need any state
> > > interference with regard to
> > > standards there. Any attempts to regulate are
> prone
> > > to failure and/or do
> > > more harm than good.
> > >
> > > What eCommerce needs are suitable standards and
> the
> > > requirement to specify
> > > the used standards in the transaction. Means: If
> I
> > > do an eDeal with
> > > somebody, and this deal involves Vietnamese
> data,
> > > then I would specify in
> > > my agreement, that the exchanged data are
> encoded
> > > according to standard X,
> > > similarly like the beginning of an HTML page
> e.g.
> > > states the used charset
> > > for the following data.
> > >
> > > Stefan
> > >
> > > >And more, for the ICT VN develop basically on
> ICT
> > > >global standards
> > > >First :
> > > >- We made country forum through VnCES- TC 154
> VN
> > > Technical Committee Standards
> > > >second :
> > > >- we need Master plan for all
> > > >third :
> > > >We need to consultant and promote VN GOV the
> > > Degree and Decision for that.
> > > >Now, We are in the first phase. The second and
> > > third
> > > >phase depend of the First phase. We need to
> focus
> > > all
> > > >of our strong on this very important phase.
> > > >Cheers
>
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