Re: [WG-eCommerce] Re: VIETNAM TO BUILD TECHNICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR E-COMMERCE

Dear Xuan,

At 09:35 24.02.2003 +0000, you wrote:
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>Dear Stefan Probst,
>Hi, it is so nice to have your message. immediately it
>is in correction.

Well, I said, that it is "fine" if it cares about standards for Government
transactions. And if there would be more substance on the site, I could do
more "confirmation" on other things.
Besides that, frankly I find it quite boring if everybody says "yes, you
are right". Progress comes from exchanging and incorporating other's ideas.
If you think different, then tell us. Maybe I change my view, and I am more
than ready to stand corrected.

>I have mentioned to IT Center people, but they are in conservative. Many
>thank.
>Ok ,
>My question to you is where are you living now, and
>what is character of your living country ? Vietnams
>has phase " Nhap gia tuy tuc". So,

Xuan,

first, if Vietnamese would know all and everything by themselves, then I
wonder, why there are thousands of foreign "experts" in the country to
share their experience.

Second, I would not give any advice on how to cook rice, because this the
Vietnamese can do better than others. Rice in Germany tastes awful.
However, the Internet, and eCommerce is not a Vietnamese invention, but
developed for Western circumstances, the Western way of doing business. As
such I claim to have a little more understanding on the circumstances than
some others here in Vietnam. How many of your Committee did a single "real"
private eCommerce transaction, i.e. including on-line payment, in their
whole life? How many did a business eCommerce transaction, either as buyer
or as seller?

If your saying means, that in the family of the blind, the one-eyed
son-in-law should shut up telling what he sees, because he is not part of
the family, then I shall gladly not comment on your project anymore.

Third, I made my comments not as a foreign tourist, but as a Vietnamese
business man, i.e. as a director of a 100% Vietnamese company, having a
number of Vietnamese employees, serving Vietnamese customers. As such, I am
often p... off from stupid regulations here, which often force me to
venture into legal grey or dark areas. Not to make illegal money, or do
anything against the "spirit" of the law, but because existing regulations
leave me no other way. The only difference to my comrades in similar
positions is, that I know how it can be done different (from my experience
in the West), that I care not only about my own business, but also about
the development of Vietnam in general, and that I therefore "waste" my time
and open my mouth in the hope that it might change a bit.

>VnCES etatblished in the Vietnam law, it vote by its
>members. it's voice is the voice all ministries and
>organization state body and NGO, and private sector.
>The voice of society component.

http://www.moste.gov.vn/vnces/vnces-o-m-a.htm says something different:
Mostly ministries or ministry-like offices (10 out of 17 members), some
business corporations of mostly state-run business (Petro Vietnam, Vietnam
Airlines, Leather and Skin Association, Weaving and Sewing Association), a
bank, an university. Not a single NGO, nothing what I would call "real"
private sector, SMEs, and also IT business is not formally involved. Let
alone a consumer's organization, but they are anyway not very well
established here. As long as the economy is centrally planned, there is no
need for something like that.

>So clearly that VnCES can consultant and support VN
>GOV with good decision on ICT develop and economic
>market develop.

Good Luck! Looking forward for the outcomes.

Stefan

>Hi, Hi
>Best regards
>LNX
>
> <stefan.probst@opticom.v-nam.net> wrote:
> > Hello Xuan,
> >
> > congratulations to your appointment as "Chair and
> > Executive of Technical
> > Committee Standard TCVN/TC 154"!
> >
> > At 03:45 24.02.2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > -------------------------
> > > Vern , Stefan , Lars oi, could you look
> > >www.moste.gov.vn/vnces.
> >
> > This gives me an error 403 "Access forbidden". Tell
> > your webmaster, that he
> > should set it up better.
> > The real URL is
> > http://www.moste.gov.vn/vnces/vnces-menu.htm
> >
> > According to this Decision No: 17/QD-TDC, the
> > purpose of this Committee is
> > "Process, data elements and Documentation in
> > Commerce, Industry and
> > Administration".
> >
> > If this Committee cares about state administration:
> > fine.
> > I have however concerns, if it cares about
> > "Commerce". I am using eCommerce
> > since several years, and I don't need any state
> > interference with regard to
> > standards there. Any attempts to regulate are prone
> > to failure and/or do
> > more harm than good.
> >
> > What eCommerce needs are suitable standards and the
> > requirement to specify
> > the used standards in the transaction. Means: If I
> > do an eDeal with
> > somebody, and this deal involves Vietnamese data,
> > then I would specify in
> > my agreement, that the exchanged data are encoded
> > according to standard X,
> > similarly like the beginning of an HTML page e.g.
> > states the used charset
> > for the following data.
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> > >And more, for the ICT VN develop basically on ICT
> > >global standards
> > >First :
> > >- We made country forum through VnCES- TC 154 VN
> > Technical Committee Standards
> > >second :
> > >- we need Master plan for all
> > >third :
> > >We need to consultant and promote VN GOV the
> > Degree and Decision for that.
> > >Now, We are in the first phase. The second and
> > third
> > >phase depend of the First phase. We need to focus
> > all
> > >of our strong on this very important phase.
> > >Cheers
> > >LNX
> >
> >
> >
> >
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