Re: [OSS] Re: Which 1st?: FLOSS End-User-Apps or "LAMPS" Promotion (00) - was Re Open Office...

At this point, i think enough's been said on this subject. No? Up to you or
anyone else who'd like to comment.

I'm still *for* promoting end-user-apps localization, but as a secondary
priority to promoting wider knowledge of the infrastructural FLO
(Free/Libre&Open) systems and subculture, at this time.

Maybe in 1-2 years more i'd agree with focusing limited resources on
end-user apps.

At 12:16 2003.02.16, Stefan Probst wrote:
>At 19:46 15.02.2003 +0000, you wrote:
>-------------------------
>>Stefan,
>>
>>I'm trying to get second opinions on the state of Viet-localization
>>of the end-user applications you mentioned.
>>
>>Otherwise, you sort of chopped and mixed my previous mail so much i
>>can barely recognize it myself. I found myself writing several
>>separate replies, but ran out of time.
>
>Andy,
>the purpose is to cut unnecessary parts in order to prevent mails getting
>bigger and bigger. That is list etiquette, and I actually fail very often
>to cut. See e.g. RMS: he includes only the one or two original sentences
>to which he is responding to. Everything else gets cut.
>
>
>OK, I will reply to your points without dissecting your post ;)
>
>First, I never said, that any PubSW can match the proprietary ones
>(Windows, Apple OS) for the desktop right now. The last time I tried it, I
>had a fairly new MotherBoard, and we tried for some days to get all the
>display, sound, etc. things working. In the end we gave it up. I still
>kept the installation and occasionally booted it. Especially my daughter
>liked the games there. When I bought my last notebook I even didn't try to
>switch. I intend however to try it in the near future again with a
>second-hand PC, just to see how it works now.
>
>One of the reasons why I have to stick to Windows, is that I have to use
>special SW from Siemens for the job. And this SW is only available for Windows.
>
>I do run a Linux router box (which includes a name server, and a small
>webserver). My hosts abroad run on FreeBSD, and I have one FreeBSD box in
>my LAN for development purposes (Apache, Perl, PHP, mySQL, ...). My
>mailserver is Windows, since there is no mailserver for a PubSW OS, which
>would provide the requested features.
>
>So far to the OS.
>My point was about Public SW end-user programs.
>The main SW in question is obviously OpenOffice. Yes, Impress cannot match
>PowerPoint, but I also said, that average users won't need it anyway. The
>main apps will be Writer (vs. MS Word) and Calc (vs. MS Excel).
>
>I am still trying them, right now version 1.0.2. Experiences so far:
>1) Calc does not print the same like Excel: I have some sheets which I use
>to print labels for various purposes. The cells are fine-tuned to print to
>the mm exactly so that the labels fit. When I open those sheets in Calc,
>they print with a bit different size, so I would have to re-tune the cells.
>2) I succeeded yesterday to crash Calc with a fairly common operation.
>3) Some keyboard shortcuts (like ctrl D for "fill down", ctrl R for "fill
>right"), as well as some mouse shortcuts (like pulling cells around with
>the mouse) don't work the same way - or not at all (did not try to look to
>much yet).
>I did not try Writer very much.
>Though still not a match, until now it looks at least usable. Means: If I
>would have to pay for MS Office, then I would switch to OpenOffice. Means:
>IMO at present, OpenOffice is already a suitable deterrent not to enforce
>copyright laws, and it would even be "stronger", if a Vietnamese version
>would be available. Over the time, OpenOffice will hopefully be a full
>replacement, and then we should have the Vietnamese version anyway. Why
>not start now, and then later have to translate only the deltas?
>
>With regard to Infrastructure, I agree with you, that there is work to be
>done. It just will take more time, more resources, etc. To look to get
>quickly a Vietnamese OpenOffice for Windows out does not mean not to look
>about PublicSW for Infrastructure (servers etc.).
>
>Best,
>Stefan
>
>
>
>
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