Fwd: [OSS] Re: OpenOffice 1.0.2... vs "LAMPS" Promotion

Just a few further thoughts inserted...

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>Subject: [OSS] Re: OpenOffice 1.0.2... vs "LAMPS" Promotion
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>GS Chuong, JC, Stefan, et al,
>
>RE>Stefan:as far as I can tell, there is agreement, that we should first
>aim at
> >Public SW (Free SW and Open Source Software) for the Windows platform,
> before
> >pushing for a Free OS (like Linux).
>
>&>JC: Translating Public SW from english (or other language) to vietnamese
>is a
>>very good way to get more vietnamese people interested into using Public SW,
>>IMHO.
>
>I agree that Freed & Open-source (FOs) end-user applications are needed to
>introduce FOs systems and propogate FOs and IP awareness further into
>VietNam's
>Information Systems (IS) user population, including business managers, esp.
>IS purchasing decision makers, first on Win32, and localized is better, but...
>
>FOs end-user apps are still lagging the propriety apps quite a bit and getting
>end-users, who just want to get their work done with minimal technical
>learning,
>to switch is going to be very difficult and slow, at least until Vietnam can
>afford to pay IPR enforcement officers a few times the value of the
>proprietary
>systems whose IPRs the enforcers are already legally responsible to defend and
>prosecute violators.

Further, end-users will not do the localization or customization. It will be IS
people. And, so far, there are not even enough IS people fluent enough in
English,
Systems Development & Project Management procedures and FOs systems to support
local customization of even the FOs systems already in place in VietNam.

This is definitely not to say that FOs end-user applications shouldn't be
promoted, just that they may not be the best part of FOs to focus budget
priorities on.

>Linux is The FOs product which has the 3M-MA, mass market, maturity & media
>attention, for itself, its business successes and its development and advocacy
>communities. Apache, though more widely used than Linux is still hidden from
>both end-users and most media attention. MySQL and PHP would probably follow
>Linux and Apache in terms of 3M-MA.
>
>Linux is still the only FOs system that can compete with MS on 3M-MA. And even
>PCWorld VietNam and VNExpress need worldwide Media Attention in 3M-MA to be
>able to provide a significant share of their reports on FOs systems, since
>most
>of their reports are *necessarily* translations, not original research.
>
>Even the FOs community's recent surge in publications and projects is in a
>large
>part the result of FOs egos playing up to the recent Media Attention to
>GNU/Linux.
>
>That's the public relations and education (knowledge dissemination) side
>of the
>here and now of FOs promotion.
>
>But there are a more practical, technological and economics arguments for
>giving secondary priority to FOs end-user applications, like Open Office (but
>also Evolution, GIMP, Konqueror, Mozilla and many others).
>
>Even outside VietNam the first and primary applications of FOs systems are
>infrastructural and this is where FOs systems naturally excel most since FOs
>systems are built by and for developers first, end-users later.
>
>There's a lot of evidence for this and i can quickly provide references
>from IBM,
>Meta-Group, David Wheeler, Gartner, ZDNet and IDG if requested.
>
>Further, the money and *jobs* in FOs systems in VietNam will follow the
>market's
>primary requirements path, no? And VietNam still has lots of IS infrastructure
>it needs to build and that's where the most pre-educated IS buyers are
>going to
>be spending the most amount of money on for at least a few years to come, for
>both the government and private sectors.
>
>If police and judiciary incomes catch up with proprietary software licensing
>costs faster, business users, especially exporters, may consider non-pirated
>software sooner, but it will still focus on infrastructural systems first.

I have a draft of a study which extends part of the presentation by Jordi
Carrasco-Muñoz into a trade-geopolitics argument in VietNam's favour that
*may*
just help VietNam buy more time in terms of avoiding TRIPS penalties and
aiding
VietNam's argument for its WTO accession. It may be a few more days before i
can release it.

>Just my opinion, but if i had a limited budget for FOs systems
>propogation, i'd
>be following the biggest trend in global FOs systems adaptation, that of LAMPS
>(Linux-Apache-MySQL/Masquerade-PPP/PHP/Perl/Python/PostGreSQL-Samba/Squid)
>which
>basically forms a complete LAN, WAN, Intranet &/or ISP infrastructure,
>including
>billing and content management where needed. For security, add gpg, iptables,
>nmap, snort and tripwire (aside from the logs and last that are built in to
>Linux by default).
>
>But LAMPS is for IS people, not end-users (or policy makers or even most IS-
>purchase decision makers). Only IS people will learn LAMPS -- and if they
>don't
>we're still stuck with FOs end-user apps on a still unaffordable Win32 IS
>infrastructure.
>
>And, finally, LAMPS will have to be learned in English, just to keep up with
>patches, massive documentation changes and the vast majority of the trade
>press.
>Core, classic, stable documents and reports will be worth localization, like
>the Linux-FAQ of VietLUG's pclouds, but the leading-edge documentation will
>need English skills to use. Compare with the French, Spanish, Russian, Indian
>and even the Chinese FOs development and support communities' recent
>histories.
>
>respectfully,
>AD Marshall
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>At 15:42 2003.02.13, you wrote:
>> Dear Anh Chuong,
>>
>>Tran Luu Chuong écrivait :
>> > Dear Stefan, As I know there is OpenOffice for Windows platform released
>> > by Open Office itself. It supports Vietnamese characters (Unicode). We
>> > tested already in our office and it can be used in place of MS Office.
>>
>>Stefan meant about an OpenOffice version *in vietnamese language*, and not
>>supporting vietnamese characters since it's already provided using Unicode.
>>
>>Translating Public SW from english (or other language) to vietnamese is a
>>very good way to get more vietnamese people interested into using Public SW,
>>IMHO.
>>
>>Best regards, J.C.
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